The Video Bay would threaten Hulu and YouTube if it had a chance of actually working
The new video-sharing site from the guys behind The Pirate Bay could be much more threatening to the TV and movie industries than BitTorrent, but is it really legally or technically feasible?
Computing | by Samuel Axon | Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:02PM | 2 comments

The Pirate Bay is the largest web venue in the world of sharing files via the BitTorrent protocol, and as you could probably guess if you didn't know already, the files shared include copyrighted material. A Swedish court made that determination and hit its founders with one year of jail time and a fine of over $3 million. The Pirate Bay's attempts to appeal the decision haven't gone well.
They seem unphased by this, though. They've just launched a very early test version of The Video Bay, a streaming video site that could let you watch copyrighted material ad-free without hassling with actually downloading the files on BitTorrent. Even if you don't have any qualms about giving the current (admittedly troubled) intellectual property laws the finger, don't get excited. We're not convinced The Video Bay is going to make it.
The Pirate Bay first announced that a web video site was in the works about two years ago, and despite that development time, the site is only barely functional. Its official release is still a ways off, as evidenced by the fact that it uses HTML5, a new version of the web scripting language that does not have widespread support from released browsers yet.

Acknowledging all this, the guys were quoted by TechCrunch Europe saying that the site won't be ready for mass public consumption for "like, a year or five."
But the distant release is the smaller problem. Believe it or not, the $3 million fine and year of jail time thrown at The Pirate Bay's founders were a fraction of what they could have been, because there's a big legal difference between deliberately hosting copyrighted material yourself, and aiding others in distributing it. The Pirate Bay's founders were found guilty of the latter, but it would seem that a streaming video site would have to do some version of the former to be reliable and useful.
When you download a video on BitTorrent and there aren't enough people sharing the file, it sometimes comes to you at a crawl — only a few kilobytes at a time. That's fine if you're not trying to watch it live; just be patient and watch it when it finishes downloading in 24 hours. But web video users have the expectation that a video will immediately begin to play when they hit "Play." Imagine that! The BitTorrent model can't guarantee that, so if The Video Bay is either going to be barely functional, or it will adopt a traditional server-peer model like YouTube or Hulu.
Any model like that would be legally indefensible and very expensive. Very few streaming video sites manage to be profitable because the bandwidth costs too much money. Video ads aren't significantly more valuable than banner ads in most cases, so it's rarely cost-effective to run a video streaming site. We're not sure how The Video Bay's crew is going to keep the ship afloat.
And even even if they do find a way to pay for it, their sole legal defense won't apply. If they're hosting the files, they won't have any loopholes to save them, and they'll get the maximum crackdown. We're sure they're aware of this, so it seems more likely that the site will have to use some kind of peer-to-peer or BitTorrent-like model. But the quality of the experience probably won't be there.
We don't know about you, but we're fine with a couple minutes of ads if it means the video is of watchable quality and stutter-free.
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The Pirate Bay to Take On YouTube, Hulu with… [pcworld.com]
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The Pirate Bay announces Video Bay beta -… [mirror.co.uk]
Pirate Bay Fires Its Copyright-busting Cannon… [TechCrunch]
The Pirate Bay Takes on YouTube with The… [appscout.com]
Pirate Bay's Censor-Free YouTube Sails into… [Gizmodo]
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PhazzedOut
(3:12 PM on Mon Nov 30, 2009)
Well that is true I do not want to watch a film that takes forever to load. Considering though that a lot, if not most of the good YouTube videos have been taken down due to some minor copyright infringement. I am willing to support The Pirate Bay in any of their endeavorer just so I can get some decent entertainment. I back them up because they back me up. They take on every big record/producing company, in which I do not have the ability to do. Their success is mostly due to the fact that they understood the law, ergo could succeed in not letting go. Even recently the went completely off the BitTorrent Tracker system and went completely DHT. Now it will be much harder for them to be taken to court or let alone lose in a court case. As for their Video Bay project, I do not have much insight on the matter. Although it is quite clear that their main agenda is to host Copyrighted material, which would be very hard to host, economic and law wise. Running on P2P, would have it's ups and downs though. I think they plan on waiting for internet speed average to go up, along with the upload rate. In any case they have been successful in most if not all of their projects. I am really hoping I could get a job in this miserable economy to get in their VPN service. Just my two cents on the matter.
lol (6:23 AM on Fri Dec 18, 2009)
I dont know how videobay actually operates but I would do it like this: build simple bittorent client written as java applet that support magnet and dht, and supports some open video codec like theora. Allow only theora files to be "uploaded" (only magnet links of theora files would be allowed). Only thing you will distribute to clients of your site would be embedded applet with magnet link to a movie as parameter. Plain and simple. And cheap to host too because applet must be downloaded only once and can be mirrored, and besides that it is only short text magnet links. Taadaa - you actually dont host anything copyrighted - everything is in users dht cloud. True it will not be instant like youtube, but for popular content and if you have broadband network it will be pretty close.